My ability to predict how long it is going to take to write this series is still way off, but here is Part II as promised.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
A very simple statement that has been twisted and misconstrued into something it is not. Mostly by progressives on the left, but also by the fringe Libertarian movement on the far right. Within its original intent it means that the US Congress cannot make a law that establishes a State religion or prohibits the free exercise of a religion. Nothing more. But as I have written on many occasions, progressives have turned the US Congress into anyone, and a law establishing a religion into the mere mentioning of Jesus’ name outside of a Church building. And unfortunately there are Christians who are supporting this agenda. If they realize it or not. Hopefully if you are one of those Christians you will change who you vote for and who you support after reading this post. By the end I think you will understand.
First, the basics. We are talking about separation of Church and State. Pretty much everyone believes in it in some form or fashion. But as I alluded to above, the disparity of the form or fashion is quite large. Conservative thought (Republican leaning) believes in freedom OF religion as defined by the founding fathers original intent. Progressive thought (Democrat leaning) believes in freedom FROM religion. A definition that activist courts created in the mid 1940’s. Here are a few resources that illustrate this point.
Separation of Church and State article from WallBuilders
Original Intent, Book by David Barton
Read those and you will understand how the progressives that support the Democratic Party have used revisionist history to distort the meaning of the First Amendment. You will learn how Thomas Jefferson was taken out of context and how Madison had originally proposed the word denomination instead of religion (as in Christian denomination). Its good stuff. I have more references if you want or need them. Just let me know.
Doesn’t really matter to some though. Despite all this historical evidence, many still choose to hide behind the establishment clause. It usually manifests into a position such as this:
“As a Christian I personally believe in (name your poison), but I don’t think it is right to push my beliefs on others”
Or some variation thereof. But what if that clause was not there to hide behind. What if we were starting anew? A founding father for instance. What does the Bible actually say about the relationship between religion and government? And how has this administrations actions stacked up to the standard. Lets dive in and find out.
Religion and Government According to the Bible
Answers up front. The Bible lays out a relationship that aligns very closely to the conservative viewpoint of the First Amendment. Some things belong to the State; some things belong to the Church, but religious beliefs are still allowed to influence the State and how it governs. Obama’s scorecard…not so hot.
Back in the day Israel (God’s chosen people) lived essentially in a theocracy. They were under God’s law in its entirety. Moral, civic, and religious. Jesus and the New Covenant changed all of that. While Christians today are still under the moral law in the Bible, the civic and religious laws specific to the nation of Israel no longer apply. There was now a new relationship between God’s people, God, and government as explained by Jesus in Matthew 22
And Jesus said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” They said, “Caesar’s.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” When they heard it, they marveled. And they left him and went away. (Matthew 22:20-22)
What was meant to be a trap by the Pharisees Jesus turned into a lesson. The lesson was the validation of the principle of separation of Church and State. The things of God belong to the Church while the things of governance belong to the State. But does that mean that the two should be completely isolated from one another? To answer that question we must look at the Bible’s teaching on government as a whole and not take the passage in Matthew 22 out of context. It starts with the fundamental teaching from the first topic I covered. The purpose of civil government is to promote good and to punish evil (Romans 13:1-7; 1 Peter 2:13-14). We are also commanded to obey civil authority except when it contradicts God’s law (Acts 5:29). So the question becomes pretty absurd: Can we follow these Biblical teachings on government without using Biblical principles of the Christian religion? Without the moral absolutes in the Bible that determine what good and evil are in the first place? Of course not. There must be Christian influence in government to achieve this. And there are many examples in the Bible to further support this.
The Prophet Daniel gave guidance to King Nebuchadnezzar in 600 BC:
Therefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable to you: break off your sins by practicing righteousness, and your iniquities by showing mercy to the oppressed, that there may perhaps be a lengthening of your prosperity.” (Daniel 4:27)
John the Baptist rebuked Herod the tetrarch (Governor) for his evil leadership:
So with many other exhortations he preached good news to the people. But Herod the tetrarch, who had been reproved by him for Herodias, his brother’s wife, and for all the evil things that Herod had done, added this to them all, that he locked up John in prison. (Luke 3:18-20)
Paul reasoned with the Roman Governor Felix:
And as he reasoned about righteousness and self-control and the coming judgment, Felix was alarmed and said, “Go away for the present. When I get an opportunity I will summon you.” (Acts 24:25)
These were not Christian nations with Christian leaders, but Christians were still imploring these governments and their leaders to follow the Bible’s teaching. The same holds true today. We are not a theocracy, but we still have the responsibility to pursue governance in line with the moral law found in the Bible. The reason is simple. All government is ultimately accountable to God. The Old Testament is full of prophets who rebuked foreign nations and warned of judgments to come because of their evil. It did not matter that they were not “Christian” nations. The examples are numerous…they span many chapters in many books so here are some links.
We have an even more unique situation here in the United States. We are a nation that is governed by the people. We vote for representatives who make laws. We vote for judges that interpret the laws or in some cases vote for those who appoint them. And we vote for a President whose executive branch is responsible to enforce the laws. Because of this, “we the people”, have a much larger responsibility in the role of government in this country. And just like the pagan countries of old, failing to accept this responsibility will not make us any less accountable to God. The final piece is freedom of religion. Does the Bible support this or does it support government compelling religion? The answer is very clear throughout the New Testament. True faith cannot be forced. It begins in Matthew 22. The doctrine of the Church is separate from the laws of the State which simply means that the State should not create laws that tell people what or how to worship. This concept is reinforced by Paul in Acts 5 when he refuses to stop preaching the gospel:
And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest questioned them, saying, “We strictly charged you not to teach in this name, yet here you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.” But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men. (Acts 5:27-29)
Paul had actually already refused a chapter before in Acts 4. In Matthew 26 Jesus tells Peter to put away his sword because Christianity would not be spread in that way.
And behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword and struck the servantof the high priest and cut off his ear. Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. (Matthew 26:51-52)
In John 6, Jesus lets many of his followers leave freely. If Jesus himself did not compel man to worship him or join his church if you will, then the State certainly has no authority to do so.
When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. So Jesus said to the Twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” (John 6:60-66)
In Luke 9, a Samaritan village refused to accept Jesus into their town. The disciples response to this event was a desire for vengeance. They wanted to bring down fire from heaven to consume them. Their thought was this would compel others to join the faith. Jesus instead rebuked his disciples. Unlike the false religion of Islam (which would pop up some 600 years later), Christianity would not be spread in this way. Once again Jesus makes the point that true faith cannot be compelled.
When the days drew near for him to be taken up, he set his face to go to Jerusalem. And he sent messengers ahead of him, who went and entered a village of the Samaritans, to make preparations for him. But the people did not receive him, because his face was set toward Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw it, they said, “Lord, do you want us to tell fire to come down from heaven and consume them?” But he turned and rebuked them. And they went on to another village. (Luke 9:51-55)
So just like I said in the beginning, the Bible supports the conservative thought of separation of Church and State. It supports freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Which is common sense when you really think about it. As Christians we believe that God has authority over everything. So would he really ordain something such as civil government and not want it influenced by his Holy Word. Of course not. At this point, if you are a Christian, the progressive argument of hiding behind the establishment clause should look really thin. If you voted for Obama, how exactly has your vote manifested itself in his administration.
Democrats’ History and Obama’s Record
The Democratic Party has a history of removing religion from the public arena, specifically Christianity. They have mostly accomplished this through the executive and judicial branch, not the legislative. Here are a few highlights.
Court Case Everson v. Board of Education (1947)
In what I would consider one of the most detrimental court cases in United States history, Justice Hugo Black wrote an opinion that re-defined the definition of the first amendment into the one that progressives in the Democratic Party use to this day. One that contradicts the Biblical definition. In his opinion, he took a single phrase from an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson out of context to support his new definition. This decision has been used to ban Christian teaching from schools. For example, Justice Black used this decision to ban public school prayer in Engel v. Vitale (1962). He was appointed by Democratic President FDR.
Court Case Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971)
A second example of progressives exerting their power in the court system to remove Christian influence is found in this case. This case has been used to prevent it not only in schools, but also on any public property. I have written a post specific to this case, but if you really want to learn more about these cases and look at a much more complete list of court cases that have slowly removed Christian influence from government then check out the book, Original Intent, that I linked to earlier. Quite enlightening.
But that is history. What is the Democratic Party’s stance today? It is pretty much the same, although their statements on the topic are very vague to hide their intentions. For example, in the 2008 Democratic Party Platform, this is the only hint:
“We will ensure that public funds are not used to proselytize or discriminate.”
While that statement reveals a little insight into their view of separation of Church and State, it is much more accurate to look at the actions of the party, its affiliated organizations, and at the Obama administration itself. From his anti-religion speech I quoted in Part 1, you get an idea of Obama’s hostile attitude toward religion. His record supports his speech.
Rated 100% by Americans United or Separation of Church and State
While a Senator in the US Congress Barack Obama was rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation. But by what definition? The AU lists itself as a non-partisan watchdog, but that is about as far from the truth as one can possibly get. Their mission is to remove all religious influence from the public sector, specifically Christianity. One of their issue pages is titled, “Fighting the Religious Right”. Check out their “Victories” Page and you should understand immediately how dangerous this organization is to our religious liberty as Christians and how they contradict the Bible’s teaching on the issue of separation of Church and State. And this is an organization that gave Obama a 100% rating.
AU Involvement in Faith Based Initiatives
Would it then surprise you to learn that Barry Lynn, director of Americans United, was involved with Obama’s faith based initiatives. After his speech, it really should not. Mr. Lynn’s name is actually not on the list of current members of Obama’s Faith Based and Neighborhood Advisory Council, but his name is on the report that gave recommendations for reform. It should worry you as a Christian that someone who wants the eradication of faith based programs was appointed by the President to give reform recommendations. There was a recent announcement that these recommendations would be implemented. Once again it should come as no surprise that they want to ensure the gospel is separate from the actions of these faith based organizations.
Obama Removes Conscience Protection for Health Workers
Obama reversed Bush’s decision to provide conscience protection for health workers that would allow them to opt out of procedures such as abortions that they object to based upon religious grounds. Falls into a couple of other categories as well such as Obama’s position on legalizing abortion.
Removal of Religious Symbol during Speech
For a speech at Georgetown University, the administration covered up a monogram symbolizing Jesus’ name.
Obama declines to Host Service for National Prayer Day
Discontinued practice done since Reagan. Not much explanation needed.
Obama Omits “Creator” When Quoting Declaration Of Independence
On numerous occasions Obama has omitted the word creator when quoting the Declaration of Independence. Things such as this are done on purpose and for a reason. It is first a part of a pattern to remove religious ideas from the public arena. But progressives in general also leave this out because it contradicts one of the founding principles of their ideology. I wrote about that here. It is also why Supreme Court Nominee Kagan refused to answer a question from Senator Coburn on the unalienable rights given to us by our creator.
Obama Refused to Allow a Cross to be Re-erected as Ordered by Court
Article gives the details
The Religious Liberty Infringements in Obamacare
These are pretty well known, but here is a good report on how Obamacare provisions ignore the religious liberty of Christians.
Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt’s famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial
Another example of preventing public religious display
Avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech
In this case, teachers at a Christian school
Will Forgive Student Loans, but not if related to Religion
There is more, but I think the point has been made. In fact there is a whole set of examples that come specifically from the military…and considering my military background, I do plan on listing those out, but not today. I just wanted to give a small sample of things that have gone on over the last few years that demonstrate that President Obama has not been exactly friendly to the Biblical definition of separation of Church and State. One of these items by itself may not mean much, but when you look at his record as a whole…they start to add up to something that is not pretty. And the pattern continues when we start to look at his specific policy positions. Whether it is a case of true animosity toward Christianity or a case of putting politics ahead of faith really does not matter. The fact remains that Obama falls in line with a history of Democratic leaders who have slowly removed Christianity from the public sphere, both by word and action. And these Democrats have been aided by numerous progressive organizations who have the same objective. There is no doubt these organizations are influencing not only Obama, but the progressives working for him. The infamous appointments that I will get to soon enough.
The bottom line is, as a nation, we need a leader that will promote Christian ideals in government, not try to remove them or mask them in some way to appease the secular world. This idea should influence people’s decision on who to vote for more than political affiliation or race. The question remains…does it? More specifically does it for you? If the Republican candidates start to push the same agenda, will you notice?

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Separation of church and state is a bedrock principle of our Constitution much like the principles of separation of powers and checks and balances. In the Constitution, the founders did not simply say in so many words that there should be separation of powers and checks and balances; rather, they actually separated the powers of government among three branches and established checks and balances. Similarly, they did not merely say there should be separation of church and state; rather, they actually separated them by (1) establishing a secular government on the power of “We the people” (not a deity), (2) saying nothing to connect that government to god(s) or religion, (3) saying nothing to give that government power over matters of god(s) or religion, and (4), indeed, saying nothing substantive about god(s) or religion at all except in a provision precluding any religious test for public office. Given the norms of the day, the founders’ avoidance of any expression in the Constitution suggesting that the government is somehow based on any religious belief was quite a remarkable and plainly intentional choice. They later buttressed this separation of government and religion with the First Amendment, which constrains the government from undertaking to establish religion or prohibit individuals from freely exercising their religions. The basic principle, thus, rests on much more than just the First Amendment.
That the phrase “separation of church and state” does not appear in the text of the Constitution assumes much importance, it seems, to some who may have once labored under the misimpression it was there and, upon learning they were mistaken, reckon they’ve discovered a smoking gun solving a Constitutional mystery. To those familiar with the Constitution, the absence of the metaphor commonly used to name one of its principles is no more consequential than the absence of other phrases (e.g., Bill of Rights, separation of powers, checks and balances, fair trial, religious liberty) used to describe other undoubted Constitutional principles.
To the extent that some nonetheless would like confirmation–in those very words–of the founders’ intent to separate government and religion, Madison and Jefferson supplied it. Some try to pass off the Supreme Court’s decision in Everson v. Board of Education as simply a misreading of Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists–as if that were the only basis of the Court’s decision. Instructive as that letter is, it played but a small part in the Court’s decision. Perhaps even more than Jefferson, James Madison influenced the Court’s view. Madison, who had a central role in drafting the Constitution and the First Amendment, confirmed that he understood them to “[s]trongly guard[] . . . the separation between Religion and Government.” Madison, Detached Memoranda (~1820). He made plain, too, that they guarded against more than just laws creating state sponsored churches or imposing a state religion. Mindful that even as new principles are proclaimed, old habits die hard and citizens and politicians could tend to entangle government and religion (e.g., “the appointment of chaplains to the two houses of Congress” and “for the army and navy” and “[r]eligious proclamations by the Executive recommending thanksgivings and fasts”), he considered the question whether these actions were “consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom” and responded: “In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative. The Constitution of the United States forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion.”
While the First Amendment undoubtedly was intended to preclude the government from establishing a national religion as you note, that was hardly the limit of its intended scope. The first Congress debated and rejected just such a narrow provision (“no religion shall be established by law, nor shall the equal rights of conscience be infringed”) and ultimately chose the more broadly phrased prohibition now found in the Amendment. During his presidency, Madison vetoed two bills, neither of which would form a national religion or compel observance of any religion, on the ground that they were contrary to the establishment clause. While some in Congress expressed surprise that the Constitution prohibited Congress from incorporating a church in the town of Alexandria in the District of Columbia or granting land to a church in the Mississippi Territory, Congress upheld both vetoes. In keeping with the Amendment’s terms and legislative history and other evidence, the courts have wisely interpreted it to restrict the government from taking steps that could establish religion de facto as well as de jure. Were the Amendment interpreted merely to preclude government from enacting a statute formally establishing a state church, the intent of the Amendment could easily be circumvented by government doing all sorts of things to promote this or that religion–stopping just short of cutting a ribbon to open its new church.
Take care in relying on Barton. Zealotry more than fact shapes his “work,” which has been so thoroughly, repeatedly, and authoritatively debunked by so many who have demonstrated it to be riddled with slipshod research, shoddy analysis, and downright dishonestly that I can but wonder how anyone can call him an “authority” on this subject without turning red from embarrassment. Perhaps the handiest debunking is Chris Rodda’s book, Liars for Jesus: The Religious Right’s Alternate Version of American History (2006) (available free on line http://www.liarsforjesus.com/), where she conveniently collects and directly refutes his many mistakes and lies, all with documentation and references so complete one can readily assess the facts for one’s self without the need to take either Barton’s or Rodda’s word for it. The irony is that, by knowingly, repeatedly resorting to lies, this would-be champion of a religious right version of history reveals his fears that the real facts fall short of making his case. His own lying is perhaps the best evidence that his overall thesis is wrong.
Doug,
You are so far off base that it is a little difficult to know where to start. The blog post was about what the Bible says about the idea of Separation of Church and State and how it should look. My questions to you would be this: Are you a Christian? (because the post is directed towards Christians) And if you are, what Biblical evidence do you have to support the Democratic Party’s / Progressive version of Separation of Church and State?
As far as Barton and all the evidence you are promoting (which looks like all from Rodda’s book?). You obviously have not read Barton’s works or the primary sources he has used to support his positions. I am afraid you have fallen for some really bad historical revisionism and fallen hard. I would encourage you to read the book. It is extremely well documented. As for the intro to my post. I was mistaken. It was George Mason, Father of the Bill of Rights” that proposed the denomination of Christians wording. Here was his proposal:
“All men have an equal, natural, and unalienable right to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that no particular sect or society of Christians ought to be favored or established by law in preference to others” (The Life of George Mason, 1892)
Madison’s proposal was the following:
“The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established” (The Debates and Proceedings in the Congress of the United States, 1834)
Promise I was not setting a trap -I was just writing from memory and got the two mixed up. I realized it after I posted the article, but had to go out of town shortly after and did not have time to correct the article. But it undercuts the idea that Madison did not interpret this clause the way conservatives interpret it today. If you read the “Debates and Proceedings”, you will find that the general consensus of its interpretation is the same as I have described.
It was a federalism issue:
“…the whole power over the subject of religion is left exclusively to the State governments to be acted upon according to their own sense of justice and the State constitution” (Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1873)
“Certainly no power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in any religious discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must then rest with the States.” (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Samuel Miller in 1808)
As far as Liars for Jesus. Chris Rodda is an atheist who works for an organization whose aim is to remove Christianity from the Military. Her book is a classic example of the type of revisionist history you see from the far left these days. She is no less of an activist than David Barton is for the right. My belief is that David Barton is attacked so much by people such as Rodda because (1) he is a Christian, and (2) he has embarrassed many historians who were using less than academic standards of documentation. Barton uses the Legal Standard of documentation in his works, which simply means he quotes from primary sources instead of secondary sources written much later. When he made this switch from Academic to Legal standard some 20 years ago it rightfully embarrassed some historians who were using sources from the 1950’s as absolute truth. But if you don’t want to believe Barton, that is fine – read his primary sources and you will find that he is not twisting the truth. There is actually so much evidence that this country was founded upon Christian principles that books such as Rodda’s come across as laughable to me. Research has shown that the founders quoted the following people/works the most in developing the principles of our country: Bible, Montesquieu, Blackstone, Locke. The Bible was more heavily quoted than the others, but then again these men’s philosophies on government were Biblically based anyways, with Locke being a Theologian. Check out books like The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States , A Moral and Political Sketch of the United States, or Society in America. All books from the 1800’s with the last two being written by atheists. They all confirm the Christian heritage that you claim does not exist.
But in the end, none of that matters. What matters is what the Bible says, not what Barton or Rodda think the founders’ said. Above all else, I would encourage you to check out the original primary source.
As a lawyer speaking of the Constitution’s principles concerning government and religion, I focus on the Constitution rather than the Bible. I have little to say about the latter.
I am familiar with the original sources commonly cited in discussions of separation of church and state, as well as the pertinent commentary of scholars and advocates–enough so to recognize Barton’s slick huckstering for what it is. Really, the guy knows much about this subject, but his zealotry has gotten the best of him. He has been caught so often so plainly and intentionally twisting real facts and fabricating new ones that he simply has no credibility. He waves around copies of documents and boasts about relying on original sources (as if he’s the only one) to impress those who don’t know better, and then spins a yarn.
Rodda is an activist as well, though she can hardly be entirely discounted as an atheist working for an organization seeking to remove Christianity from the military. Apart from the fact that atheists can be as objective (or as biased) as Christians on these matters, and apart from the unfair characterization of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, Rodda’s extensively researched criticisms of Barton’s claims withstand scrutiny. It is the work, and not the one doing it, that matters in the end. As I said, she provides all the original documents (including the one’s omitted or mischaracterized or misquoted by Barton), so one can see for oneself where the truth lies without taking her word for it. Sure, you have to get past misgivings about her religious beliefs and her blunt style to get to the facts she reveals, but learning the truth is well worth it. The irony is that she has in one sense honored Barton by studying his work more intensively, I suspect, than anyone else on the planet. I mention her, though, not because she is the most scholarly commentator or the only one who has exposed Barton (hardly, there are many), but rather because her book is handy in that its whole focus is to collect and directly discuss Barton’s false claims.
The proceedings reported in the Annals of Congress point in a different direction, I think, than you suggest. Madison initially doubted the need for any amendment on the subject because he considered the matter beyond the government’s power anyway; since others insisted on it, though, he was persuaded to introduce a proposed amendment, the one you quoted. In doing so, he proposed what he thought others wanted. During the discussion, some expressed a desire to focus the amendment on establishment of a national religion by law. Madison was generally comfortable with much of what others proposed, including that. Discussion progressed beyond the original proposal. With respect to a subsequent proposal stating “no religion shall be established by law, nor shall the equal rights of conscience be infringed,” he proposed adding the term “national,” thinking that would address the expressed concerns of some. Following his motion, others expressed misgivings not only about the wording but also the scope of the proposal. Mr. Livermore suggested that it be altered to state “Congress shall make no laws touching religion, or infringing the rights of conscience.” Madison withdrew his motion, and the House then considered and passed Livermore’s motion. The Annals of Congress reveal little more other than that over the next several weeks, the proposal went through several more iterations and emerged as what we now know as the First Amendment. If anything, Congress’s explicit consideration and rejection of language focusing the amendment on establishment of a national religion suggests that the ultimately adopted version is not so focused. To the extent there may be doubt on this score, Madison largely removed it by his two vetoes I noted earlier and by explaining in his Detached Memoranda his understanding of the First Amendment as ultimately adopted.
While some among those who drafted and ratified the First Amendment undoubtedly were motivated by a desire to protect the rights and powers of states from the federal government as you suggest, others just as undoubtedly sought to protect the rights of individuals from the federal government. Whatever their various motivations, they agreed on an Amendment that limits the power of the federal government with respect to religion so as to serve all of these ends. That understanding of the founders’ intent comports as well with the political “disestablishment” movement then sweeping the country. The First Amendment was largely an accomplishment, at the federal level, of that movement, which also succeeded in disestablishing all state religions by the 1830s. It is worth noting, as well, that this disestablishment movement partially coincided with another movement, the Great Awakening. The people of the time saw separation of church and state as a boon, not a burden, to religion.
I do not deny our Christian heritage as you suppose. While the religious views of various founders are subjects of some uncertainty and controversy, it is safe to say that many founders were Christian of one sort or another and held views such as you note regarding religion. In assessing the nature of our government, though, care should be taken to distinguish between society and government and not to make too much of various founders’ individual religious beliefs. Their individual beliefs, while informative, are largely beside the point. Whatever their religions, they drafted a Constitution that establishes a secular government and separates it from religion as noted earlier. This is entirely consistent with the fact that some founders professed their religiosity and even their desire that Christianity remain the dominant religious influence in American society. Why? Because religious people who would like to see their religion flourish in society may well believe that separating religion and government will serve that end and, thus, in founding a government they may well intend to keep it separate from religion. It is entirely possible for thoroughly religious folk to found a secular government and keep it separate from religion. That, indeed, is just what the founders did.
I agree with what I take is your overarching thesis that the founders would not establish a government that is inherently at odds with their religious convictions, which were largely Christian in nature. Moreover, given the republican nature of our government, I think it is only natural and expected that the laws enacted by our government–in both the founders’ time and today–largely reflect Christianity’s dominant influence in our society.
That said, there is no reason to suppose that Christianity or theism is an inherent aspect of our constitutional government. Indeed, any such claim is antithetical to the constitutional principle against government establishment of religion. By founding a secular government and assuring it would remain separate, in some measure at least, from religion, the founders basically established government neutrality in matters of religion, allowing individuals to freely choose and exercise their religions and thus allowing Christianity (and other religions) to flourish or founder as they will. As noted above, it is to be expected that the values and views of the people, shaped in part by their religions, will be reflected in the laws adopted by their government. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires or calls for this; it is simply a natural outgrowth of the people’s expression of political will in a republican government. To the extent that the people’s values and views change over time, it is to be expected that those changes will come to be reflected in the laws adopted by their government. There is nothing in the Constitution to prevent this; indeed, just the opposite–the Constitution establishes a government designed to be responsive to the political will of the people. It is conceivable, therefore, that if Christianity’s influence in our society wanes relative to other influences, that may lead to changes in our laws. Nothing in the Constitution would prevent that–and moreover the establishment clause would preclude Christians from using the government to somehow “lock in” (aka establish) Christianity in an effort to stave off such an eventuality.
I look forward to checking out the books from the 1800s you mention. I became quite familiar with Story’s Commentaries while researching for an article concerning the First Amendment while in law school. I am not familiar, though, with the others you mention.
Doug,
Appreciate your comments, but in my mind none of what you have said really adequately supports your point that they intended there to be no religious influence in government. To me it seems you are over-thinking this whole idea of the establishment clause. Missing the forest for the trees if I may use a cliché. In reality it is a pretty easy concept. It is our tendency to try to over-complicate things and in my experience it happens when we are trying to twist something into something it is not. When you take a step back at everything the 200+ people that could be considered founders wrote/said/did/where they came from/their influences it is pretty obvious they believed in a government and society heavily influenced by the Bible, but one at the same time that would not interfere with individuals who wanted to have other religious beliefs. Just thought of another book to check out…the New England Primer; the first textbook used in America. Very enlightening for me when I came across it. Along with the other primary sources out there, it builds a strong case against the historical revisionism of people like Rodda. She most certainly has an agenda as does the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. Just check out the articles their leader puts out and their list of accomplishments. Sometimes we have to look past these organizations stated missions and take a look at what they are actually doing. While they certainly do some work for their stated mission, their primary goal is to remove Christian influence from the Military. Something that is contrary to our nation’s entire military history. Perhaps you agree with what they are doing or maybe you do not…I don’t know (but based on your position I would assume the prior) Personally I have more respect for those who acknowledge our true history and disagree with the Christian influence instituted by the founding generation over those who try to pursue their agenda through revisionist history. Like I said, the evidence overwhelmingly supports Barton’s positions.
But once again, none of that is really within the scope of this post, or this series (which is looking at Obama’s administration in light of the Bible and what it teaches on government/issues) I asked the question of whether or not you are a Christian for several reasons. (1) The obvious fact that if you are not, the post really is not directed to you or really apply to you (2) because to understand our nation’s founding principles from a Christian perspective, you must understand the Biblical references they are derived from (I make some assumptions of people’s knowledge with respect to this). It goes much deeper than just a few famous dead guy quotes. There is Biblical principle behind the founders ideas such as separation of powers for example (3) because if you are a Christian, it is a question of what holds a higher priority for you…Constitution…your interpretations of the founders works…or the Bible. What will we be judged by in the end? What if you’re wrong? What are the consequences? Understand your interest in this topic from the secular perspective, but I would appreciate it if we could stick to the thesis of the post.
tsc,
I think you misapprehend my point. I do not suppose that there should be no religious influence in government. As I observed above, it is to be expected in a republic that the people’s views, shaped in part by their religions, will influence the government’s actions.
It is important to distinguish between the “public square” and “government” and between “individual” and “government” speech about religion. The constitutional principle of separation of church and state does not, as is sometimes complained, purge religion from the public square–far from it. Indeed, the First Amendment’s “free exercise” clause assures that each individual is free to exercise and express his or her religious views–publicly as well as privately. The Amendment constrains only the government not to promote or otherwise take steps toward establishment of religion. As government can only act through the individuals comprising its ranks, when those individuals are performing their official duties (e.g., public school teachers instructing students in class), they effectively are the government and thus should conduct themselves in accordance with the First Amendment’s constraints on government. When acting in their individual capacities, they are free to exercise their religions as they please. If their right to free exercise of religion extended even to their discharge of their official responsibilities, however, the First Amendment constraints on government establishment of religion would be eviscerated. While figuring out whether someone is speaking for the government in any particular circumstance may sometimes be difficult, making the distinction is critical.
Nor does the constitutional separation of church and state prevent citizens from making decisions based on principles derived from their religions. Moreover, the religious beliefs of government officials naturally may inform their decisions on policies. The principle, in this context, merely constrains government officials not to make decisions with the predominant purpose or primary effect of advancing religion; in other words, the predominant purpose and primary effect must be nonreligious or secular in nature. A decision coinciding with religious views is not invalid for that reason as long as it has a secular purpose and effect.
Wake Forest University has published a short, objective Q&A primer on the current law of separation of church and state–as applied by the courts rather than as caricatured in the blogosphere–which covers these subjects. I commend it to you. http://tiny.cc/6nnnx
All that said, I respect your desire to return to what you intended to be the focus of your post and so, with that, I’ll leave you to it.
The ideas that you are promoting are not based on the Constitution and its original intent (intent of the law should be the first thing taught to law students), it is based upon modern interpretation absent of intent. Specifically here the catch 22 of the lemon test from Lemon vs. Kurtzman.
http://thesteadyconservative.com/wordpress/2012/01/12/the-lemon-test/
A simple kids book, The New England Primer, blows away the modern definition the judges came up with in Lemon vs. Kurtzman. However, it would be accurate for Wake Forest to say “on the current law of separation of church and state” because current or modern definition is not based upon the Constitution but rather precedent from an activist judicial system. But what holds the ultimate authority, what is the ultimate law of the land…precedent or the Constitution. You mentioned before that if Christian influence dwindled there could be changes reflecting this in our laws through the democratic process. This is true, but that is not what is happening. Laws are not changing through the democratic process, but rather through the court system. Something the founders never envisioned. Bottom line, you take away all the fancy arguments and lawyer speak, and just look at what the first amendment says, it is obvious that there was no intent to take God out of government…even out of schools. Us engineers do the same thing…use cool technical words and phrases to confuse people into paying us more, but really the concepts are pretty simple.
I do find it interesting that you hold the position you do if you have read Joseph Story’s stuff. He would adamantly disagree with many of your points as would the founders. I still think the problem lies with modern scholarship that is very shallow and agenda oriented. For instance, you originally stated that the founders created a secular government with no tie to a deity, but that is not a true statement. Re-read the Declaration of Independence. Our government was created on the basis that our rights come from God, and that even government is accountable to this higher authority(which is Biblically based in itself if you read the first post in this series). Elements of our constitution were developed by the likes of Locke, who was a theologian. His ideas on government were based upon Biblical principles. Just because it does not say explicitly “This is from the Bible”, does not mean it was not from the Bible. I can understand how someone who is not a Christian and has not read the Bible could overlook such things, but it is still weak scholarship. Perhaps I will write some posts tying these principles to the Bible in more detail one day. Probably not until after the election though.
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