The Ron Paul Voting Record

February 9, 2010

The thing about being a career politician is that you have the voting record of a career politician.  And what you find may surprise you more than the fact that a man who believes in term limits refuses to step down.  So I will go over some of these votes of Ron Paul and to do so I will break them up into categories.  The first is abortion.

Abortion

It may surprise many of you that this is one of my topics because Ron Paul is against abortion, but you will shortly see why I picked it.

Ron Paul voted NO twice, once in 1999 (HR 1218) and then again in 2005 (HR 748) to make transporting a minor across state lines in order to get an abortion a federal crime.  Here were the provisions for the 2005 vote:

  • Allowing for exemptions to the law if the life of the minor is in danger or if a court in the minor’s home state waive the parental notification required by that state
  • Allocating fines and/or up to one year imprisonment of those convicted of transporting a minor over state lines to have an abortion
  • Penalizing doctors who knowingly perform an abortion procedure without obtaining reasonable proof that the notification provisions of the minor’s home state have been satisfied
  • Requiring abortion providers in states that do not have parental consent laws and who would be performing the procedure on a minor that resides in another state, to give at least a 24 hour notice to the parent or legal guardian
  • Specifying that neither the minor nor her guardians may be prosecuted or sued for a violation of this act

In 2003 Ron Paul voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction and medical research including the importing of cloned embryos or products made from them. (HR 534)

In 2004 Ron Paul voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (HR 1997)

Most of his other votes and positions on this topic fall in line with conservatives, but the ones above do not.

Same Sex Marriage / Civil Rights

Again Ron Paul proclaims to be a Christian so I have to assume that he is against same sex marriage, but he does not vote this way.

Ron Paul voted NO on Constitutional Amendments banning same-sex marriage twice.  In 2004 he voted against HJ RES 106, which “Declares that marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Prohibits the Constitution or any State constitution from being construed to require that marital status or its legal incidents be conferred upon any union other than that of a man and a woman.”  In 2006 he once again voted NO on HJ RES 88 which stated the exact same.

On the abortion votes you can make the argument that he was just voting for state rights, but here you see his real intentions (Amendments cannot be unconstitutional).  This is where he parts from me and the founding fathers.  The founding fathers believed that the Christian faith should be an integral part of our government and our lives.  By this vote Ron Paul shows that he does not.  This is one of the main differences between conservatives and libertarians.  Ron Paul said the following in 2007, “If you believe in liberty, you are a libertarian. The best libertarians we’ve ever had in this country were our founding fathers.”  Boy did he get that wrong…at least on some the votes I am pointing out.  It also explains why he and his followers believe that anyone who is not a libertarian is (and I quote) “an enemy of liberty”

Along these lines of civil rights, Ron Paul voted NO in 2003 on a Constitutional Amendment that would prohibit the desecration of the American Flag (HJ RES 4).  I did not know that making the burning of the American flag illegal was somehow infringing upon someone’s liberties.  Aside from not being able to send a particular mass email with a poem, I do not see the downside here.

I would also like to bring up a piece of legislation that Ron Paul did not get an opportunity to vote on, but certainly commented on.  This may open some people’s eyes.  Ron Paul said he would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.  Here was his comment.  “If it were written the same way, where the federal government’s taken over property–it has nothing to do with race relations. It has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with the Constitution and private property rights.”  Interesting.

Crime

First I will say that Ron Paul is against the death penalty.  That is something I am sure many people have different opinions on.  Personally I do not have a problem with the death penalty, but that is not my main issue with Mr. Paul. There have not been many votes on these types of thing lately (at least that I saw), but here are a few historical ones.

In 1998, Ron Paul voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests (HR 4550)

In 1999, Ron Paul voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime (HR 1501) This included “funding for development, implementation, and administration of graduated sanctions for juvenile offenders, funds for building, expanding, or renovating juvenile corrections facilities, hiring juvenile judges, probation officers, and additional prosecutors for juvenile cases.”  The Heritage Foundation has some good research on this area and gives compelling reasons why those who commit adult crimes should get adult time.  You should check it out.

In 2000, Ron Paul voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (HR 4690).  This legislation would reduce the funding for violent offender imprisonment and give the money to Boys and Girls clubs and drug courts.

And then there is his position on legalizing marijuana and the drug war.  This topic probably needs its own post.  Let’s just say that the drug-ees of the nation absolutely love this guy.  He pushes mis-information on the dangers of marijuana and its effect on society.  He also tries to portray that the drug war makes the drug problem worse, which is only true if you selectively choose your facts as many liberals are famous for doing.  We have tried to legalize drugs in this country before and anyone who tries to tell you that it worked is not telling you the truth.  Since I am mostly covering his voting record I will leave it at that.  For now anyways.

Here is one that I thought I should fit in somewhere.  In 2003 Ron Paul voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids.  Not sure what the issue was here.

Gun Control

Once again Ron Paul is pro Second Amendment, but a couple of votes struck me as odd.

On two occasions Ron Paul voted NO on protecting gun manufacturers from frivolous lawsuits for product misuse. (That means someone shoots somebody and then the victim sues the gun manufacturer because obviously it is their fault)  In 2003 (HR 1036) and in 2005 (S 397).  It seems interesting especially considering in 2004 he voted YES to restrict frivolous lawsuits (HR 4571).

Campaign Financing

I do not really care if someone wants to give their life savings to a politician, but I would like to know where the politician gets his money from.  I think it shows a lot about the candidate so that is why Ron Paul’s vote of NO on requiring lobbyist disclosure of bundled donations bothers me (HR 2316).  This vote is especially interesting considering in 2000 Ron Paul adopted the following statement from the Republican Liberty Caucus, “There should be full and timely public disclosure of all the sources and amounts of all campaign contributions upon their receipt.”

National Defense

I have gone into some detail about how Ron Paul is wrong on the Iraq War so I will just go over a few votes to illustrate how wrong he really is.  I will take these in chronological order.

First, Ron Paul voted NO on approving removal of Saddam & the valiant service of US troops in 2004.  This was really just a political statement.  The Resolution made the following points

  1. affirms that the United States and the world have been made safer with the removal of Saddam Hussein and his regime from power in Iraq; (anyone who has any knowledge of  Saddam and his regime understands this fact)
  2. commends the Iraqi people for their courage in the face of unspeakable oppression and brutality inflicted on them by Saddam Hussein’s regime;
  3. commends the Iraqi people on the adoption of Iraq’s interim constitution; and
  4. commends the members of the U.S. Armed Forces and Coalition forces for liberating Iraq and expresses its gratitude for their valiant service.

In 2006, Ron Paul voted NO on declaring Iraq part of the War on Terror without establishing an exit date.  First, this shows his denial that terrorist organizations were operating and still are operating in Iraq despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.  I mentioned some of this evidence in my recent discussion on his foreign policy.  Denial is a dangerous thing.  Second, in a war, you cannot give an exit date that is not based upon conditions on the ground.  This is a very basic military concept that Ron Paul as well as many liberals do not understand.  It is dangerous to our mission and emboldens the enemy.  Consider how hard you would run if you knew you only had to make it another 200 meters versus not knowing how many more miles you have to go.  Make sense now?

In 2007, Ron Paul voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days with a completion date of 180 days.  First, I would like to point out the dangers of leaving Iraq during this timeframe.  This was the time that we were having a hard time in Iraq and was also about the time that Bush (on General Petraeus’ advice) was advocating the troop surge that ended up having tremendous success.  Think back on how disastrous Ron Paul’s decision would have been for US and world security if we had left Iraq during their most dire hour.   When their security forces could not have held off the extreme elements in Iraq at the time.  Ron Paul’s judgment in this case was just as bad as Obama’s rhetoric on the subject.

My second point is just one of ignorance.  Maybe our commanders could come up with a re-deployment plan in 90 days but to think it is logistically plausible to re-deploy our troops within 180 days is borderline insane.  To give you a perspective…it took us 3 or 4 months to relocate a battalion plus to another location inside Iraq.  (4+ battalions in BDE, 4 BDEs in a division…etc).  Making political statements with a vote such as this just shows this ignorance and it is also very dangerous.  It is reminiscent of other statements by Ron Paul.  One such example is a statement by Mr. Paul in 2007 that said we need to stop policing the streets and allow the Iraqis to take over.  Well, I was training Iraqi security forces to do this starting back in 2004 so I am either a genius or somebody told me to do it (meaning Ron Paul does not know what he is talking about).  Well, I will give you a hint…I am no genius.  I will add that we can not just let them take over.  These forces have to be prepared.

The last vote I will cover is Ron Paul’s vote of YES on investigating Bush impeachment for lying about Iraq in 2008.  First, Bush and his administration were very careful about their statements on affiliations between Iraq and Al Qaeda.  Second, evidence supports these claims even if they were made as well as Iraq’s support of numerous other terrorist organizations.  Denying this fact does not make it any less true.  Third, information from intelligence agencies all over the world agreed with the threat that existed.  Decisions were made based upon this intelligence, they were not lies.  And lastly, this evidence was not something that was cooked up by “Neocons to start a war” as Ron Paul would say.  The issue of Iraq has existed and been discussed for over 2 decades so the only reasonable explanation for such a vote would be if you believed in some type of 2 decade long conspiracy.  So does Ron Paul really believe that or did he just make another dangerous politically motivated vote.  I will let you decide on that one.

There are many other votes I could cover, but haven’t.  Like Ron Paul’s vote to keep Pelosi as Speaker of the House or Ron Paul’s vote to not remove Rep Chalie Rangel from his leadership position (ethics violations and all).  That adds a whole other post of questions to the list and I am not sure if I have that much time.  So I will let you decide on those.  I bring up all of this to show you that Ron Paul does not always represent the things conservatives believe in, which may surprise many.  I also bring it up to once again let everyone know that Ron Paul is not running unopposed in the Republican Primary for district 14.  There are other strong conservative candidates who are not career politicians who would do a good job.  Like I have said before, I have been in contact with two of them.  Check out Gerald Wall of Wild Peach and Tim Graney of Katy .  Then get out and vote in the primary on March 2nd .  I say lets vote out these career politicians, but I will let you decide.

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{ 18 comments }

Steve February 10, 2010 at 12:16 pm

You seem to spend a great deal of time on Ron Paul. Is that what your blog is really all about…trying to defeat Ron Paul in the primary?

tsc February 10, 2010 at 12:33 pm

Steve-
I would like to see Ron Paul defeated in the primary (for numerous reasons), but that is not what my blog is all about. It just happens to be getting closer to the primary election. I rarely write about Mr. Paul otherwise. I will post anything that comes to mind mostly. Usually just promoting conservative and Christian ideas or giving my opinion on things going on in the world.

Steve February 10, 2010 at 12:42 pm

Yes, I understand. I made a quick judgement and reacted based on my sensitivity to the topic. I do not agree with your opinions on Mr. Paul. I believe we need 435 of him as the best hope for returning to a federal govt that more closely resembles that which was intended by our Constitution. I would think your position on the issue would more closely resemble those of Paul (particularly if we disregard the war) than they will of the cookie cutter, business-as-usual alternative.

I enjoy your blog and might be a frequent commenter.

Regards,
Steve

tsc February 10, 2010 at 12:54 pm

No problem Steve. I understand it is a pretty hot topic. Outside of his foreign policy stance I do share many of the same views with Mr. Paul, but probably not quite as extreme since he is a libertarian for the most part. One of these other reasons though are the tactics that his organization uses, which my family and friends have seen first hand. I think that makes him less effective as a representative and as a leader. Plus he has just been in Congress too long. I believe in term limits as he does, but I also believe in leading by example and his long political career in the same position doesn’t exactly do that.

max February 11, 2010 at 11:57 pm

ron paul, the benedict arnold of his own movement. there is something not right about him. i’m not sure what it is.

tsc February 12, 2010 at 11:34 am

max-

I do believe many people feel the same way. Perhaps this is explains why he gets a lower number of votes in primaries where he is invited to debates (last Presidential primary). My reasons are known, of course, from the posts that I have written. Just my opinion based upon what I believe.

max February 15, 2010 at 7:50 am

i believe dr paul is a descent man, but surrounds himself with questionable characters. jesse benton comes to mind. he promises things then ignores those promises. i guess that is pretty typical for his line of work. if i were a house district 14(?) voter i would go ahead and vote the incumbent out. as a matter of fact i believe we should vote all incumbents out, ALL…

tsc February 15, 2010 at 2:44 pm

max-
I would not argue with that point you made about Mr. Paul, but I do have issues with some of his policy stances as well. If I were a voter in any district I would take a hard look at the voting record of the incumbent and make my decision based upon that for the most part.

Ed April 28, 2010 at 8:35 pm

I would like to replace them all with people more like Ron Paul. He is more of a patriot than ALL the democrat and most of the republicans.
We need to get rid of the fed reserve. Perhaps the biggest thing to recapture our economic freedom is to get off foreign ultra elite bankers fiat money.
Collect Silver for the coming total debasement of our currency.

tsc April 29, 2010 at 9:28 am

Better than democrats I would agree (on finance), but there are much better conservatives out there that would do a better job.

Steve! May 10, 2010 at 4:03 pm

I think his voting record is very consistent. Its just not consistent with being a Republican. I think he takes time to analyze the topic and vote according to his values… not according to what the Republicans want. I agree with a previous poster that we need 435 of him.

tsc May 10, 2010 at 5:03 pm

The previous poster was a spammer that I let through. Guy is trying to sell silver. He is consistent to a point, but I have found many holes in his consistency that I did not point out…basically have better things to do (you can do that with any career politician by the way…not just Ron Paul). This isn’t a Republican / Democrat thing though ….it is a conservative / liberal thing. He does not vote consistently on some issues as a conservative because he is not one…he is a libertarian. Those were some of the things that I was touching on. Between that and character, there are much better conservatives out there that can represent us.

Dorian May 13, 2010 at 2:56 pm

“Ron Paul voted NO twice, once in 1999 (HR 1218) and then again in 2005 (HR 748) to make transporting a minor across state lines in order to get an abortion a federal crime”

It is not the job of the federal government to get involved in something that should be dealt by the States, since it is do with crossing State Lines.

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“On the abortion votes you can make the argument that he was just voting for state rights, but here you see his real intentions (Amendments cannot be unconstitutional)”

He has specifically said that the Federal Government does not have the right being involved in marriage. Defining it and etc. He said that is an issue for the States.

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“Ron Paul voted NO in 2003 on a Constitutional Amendment that would prohibit the desecration of the American Flag (HJ RES 4)”

Yes, I should be allowed to desecrate the American Flag that I pay for with my money, like I should be allowed to desecrate any other piece of my property.

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“In 1998, Ron Paul voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests (HR 4550)”
“Ron Paul voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime (HR 1501)”
” Ron Paul voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons.”
” In 2000, Ron Paul voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (HR 4690). This legislation would reduce the funding for violent offender imprisonment”
“In 2003 Ron Paul voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids”

All were voted on the basis of fiscally conservative. Unfortunately that is something that Republicans and Democrats do not understand since most of them are either economic illiterates or corporate stooges who just claim to be small government.

They just seem to think that America has a limitless money pot.

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“Ron Paul’s vote of NO on requiring lobbyist disclosure of bundled donations bothers me (HR 2316)”

The Act didn’t require the lobbyist to disclose their donations to PAC.

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” Ron Paul voted NO on approving removal of Saddam & the valiant service of US troops in 2004″

Why would he vote for the approval of an action that he didn’t approve in the first place?

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“This is a very basic military concept that Ron Paul as well as many liberals do not understand. ”

No, I don’t think he cares. He cares about the current economic predicament that America is in and how to alleviate that situation.

So whether or not the exit plan is safe for the Iraq doesn’t make a difference in his mind. He may change his mind when told by the Military commanders that such a plan is unfeasible.

tsc May 13, 2010 at 4:20 pm

Interstate so the federal government can get involved. Sometimes we have to get involved. The founders created this country with the concept that we are bound by a higher moral authority, not legal pluralism.
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Yes, that is why they were voting on an amendment to the Constitution. Please read my post on why I think it is now necessary
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American Flag stands for a little more, I see no problem in protecting it as we protect Eagle…etc.
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For fiscal reasons….thats a long stretch, even if he claims that is the reason.
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Agreed.
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One it was for the troops, for the other reasons please read my stuff on the Iraq War
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That is exactly my point, irresponsible.

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Thanks for your comments, but this is an old post…curious about your thoughts to my current posts.

Giovanni May 28, 2010 at 5:00 pm

It is not the governments job to tell consenting adults who they can sleep with or get married to. To believe otherwise is to believe that the government owns your body.

Ron Paul believes it to be immoral for individuals to petition the heavy hand of government to dictate the choices of consenting adults and FORCE them to abide by what religious people believe. Of course, since this country was founded on the separation of church and state, this would not only be immoral but illegal.

Yes I agree that Bush should be investigated for sending us to war. There were no WMDs and worse yet, Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.

tsc May 30, 2010 at 8:47 am

Giovanni,
I just noticed you commented on this old post as well. For the most part you will find my response in the other post that you commented on.
http://thesteadyconservative.com/wordpress/2010/05/28/ron-paul-votes-to-repeal-%e2%80%9cdon%e2%80%99t-ask-don%e2%80%99t-tell%e2%80%9d/

As for your last comment. Perhaps you should read the legislation that authorized us to use force in Iraq. Based upon your comment, I do not think that you have. Iraq’s ties to terrorist organizations and history of agreession make a compelling case for our actions. We can argue on how imminent the threats were, but to think that Iraq posed no threat to us and others is pretty naive.

True Patriot November 26, 2010 at 1:19 am

Ron Paul 2012! It will happen.

tsc November 26, 2010 at 12:20 pm

Very doubtful…if his inability to lead in Congress is any indication…or his lower primary numbers after debates….or generally how he and his closest followers treat people. In my opinion there are much better leaders to choose from.

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